The gas industry has the big money. They know the little guy cannot really take them on because they have an arsenal of lawyers to sue sue sue. Supervisors and commissionors vote yes to companies, fear of lawsuit? Beware of lawyers taking advantage of the already beleagured victims of gas drilling. Their agenda is not always to help but to get their piece of the promised pie.

How did that work out with Act 13 again? Industry tried to bully its way though PA and has lost at every level in the courts.

Mr. White, The comments above show part of our problem here. The anti's are causing a lot of it. The group of people that you refer to belonging to is now called "Pro Gas Environmentalists". I belong to that group myself.

If you want to endorse a movie lets give both sides yours is a movie made by actors in Hollywood for entertainment . On the other side how about a documentary where it is investigated and they talk to real people who are dealing with the gas industry and fracking. The documentary is called Frack Nation also made by Ann McElhinney an Irish journalists, Phelim Mcaleen Ireland investgative journalist, and Magda Segieda a investigator/reporter from Poland. Since these peeople are not from the United States this may make them believable since everyone in Pennsylavania who disagrees with some of your accusation are all wrong or has some kind of agenda. I agree with you we should all want safe drilling, but accidents will happen in every industry and they need to be held accountable not crucified.

Rep. White you say you don't oppose drilling so can you give us what you like about drilling?

Did White endorse the movie? No, he seemed to be quite objective, but that didn't stop people like Proud American from coming to a totally false conclusion with no evidence at all. Did you even read what this piece is all about? Instead of talking about what White actually said, you come back with more industry propaganda. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

If not endorsed why bring it up and I read the whole piece. Have you watched Frack Nation? Some one who is objective gives both side of an issue and I will give you an example GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION
a spill of 8000 gallons of fracking fluid at a site in Dimock, Pa., have contaminated groundwater in the Marcellus Shale region. But the idea stressed by fracking critics that deep-injected fluids will migrate into groundwater is mostly false. Basic geology prevents such contamination from starting below ground. A fracture caused by the drilling process would have to extend through the several thousand feet of rock that separate deep shale gas deposits from freshwater aquifers. According to geologist Gary Lash of the State University of New York at Fredonia, the intervening layers of rock have distinct mechanical properties that would prevent the fissures from expanding a mile or more toward the surface. It would be like stacking a dozen bricks on top of each other, he says, and expecting a crack in the bottom brick to extend all the way to the top one. What's more, the fracking fluid itself, thickened with additives, is too dense to ascend upward through such a channel.

EPA officials are closely watching one place for evidence otherwise: tiny Pavillion, Wyo., a remote town of 160 where high levels of chemicals linked to fracking have been found in groundwater supplies. Pavillion's aquifer sits several hundred feet above the gas cache, far closer than aquifers atop other gas fields. If the investigation documents the first case of fracking fluid seeping into groundwater directly from gas wells, drillers may be forced to abandon shallow deposits—which wouldn't affect Marcellus wells. Accidents do happen in all industries and Rep White and I both agree we want safe drilling and when an accident happens they need to make thing right no matter what the cost.

How disengaged from reality are you? The Marcellus Shale Coalition spent $30,000 in one weekend to combat Promised Land, and Rep. White spent like two paragraphs talking about it in a very fair way. You come back with MORE INDUSTRY PROPAGANDA. I don't know what you have to be so proud of, Proud American.

I am proud of the fact I think for myself and do research about issues and don't get stuck on one side of the issue and won't admit their is two sides and that their is things that need to be address by the industry. A start was a meeting at Cecil Township with the Supervisors and even though Rep. White was so sure no questions would we answered their was a question and answer period and it was very informative never heard a positive statement by Rep. White about that. Would like to see more of this type of meetings in different areas for people in those areas where drilling may be taking place. Give me one reason why a company shouldn't defend themselves. I don't think it would be fair if Rep. White was unable to answer his critics.

These comments are ridiculous. Just answer me this- how many people will you have to know with cancer from benzene and toluene in their bloodstream before you realize what's happening here? Just give me a number please.

Before you blame everything on he gas industry here is info on Benzene

Benzene is a major component of gasoline.
Benzene is used in the manufacturing of styrene, which is used to make Styrofoam and other plastics.These plastics are often used in food containers

What about the natural environment?
Benzene can occur naturally in the environment. It is emitted into the atmosphere by erupting volcanoes, from the smoke of forest fires and, interestingly, is also found in some plants and animals.
Benzene can quickly evaporate into the air and be carried over long distances.

Because benzene is found in petrol and oil, it can be released into the atmosphere by buses, cars, motorbikes, trains and aeroplanes. It can be emitted in exhaust fumes, and by evaporation of fuels from machinery, motors and petrol tanks.
Benzene is used in the manufacture of numerous chemicals needed to make plastics such as polystyrene for packaging, synthetic fibres, such as rayon and nylon used for making clothes, and the detergents we use to clean our homes. Medicines and pesticides can also be sources of benzene
Therefore, when we empty water from our sink after washing the dishes, or use chemicals to kill insects and weeds in the garden we could be releasing benzene into the environment

info on toluene
Toluene is used as a fuel additive to increase octane ratings and as a solvent in paints, paint thinners, adhesives, inks, resins, cleaning agents and inks. It is also used in the synthesis of many organic chemicals including benzene, phenol and xylene and as a raw material in the production of explosives. Toluene is used to manufacture polymers that are used to make nylon, plastic soda bottles, and polyurethanes and for pharmaceuticals, dyes and cosmetic products. Additionally, toluene has been used in the past as a treatment for hookworms and roundworms.
Toluene enters the environment when you use materials that contain it, such as paints, paint thinners, adhesives, fingernail polish, and gasoline. As you work with these materials, the toluene evaporates and becomes mixed with the air you breathe. Toluene enters surface water and groundwater (wells) from leaking underground storage tanks at gasoline stations and other facilities. Leaking underground storage tanks also contaminate the soil with toluene and other petroleum-product components.

You may be exposed to toluene from many sources, including drinking water, food, air, and consumer products. You may also be exposed to toluene through breathing the chemical in the workplace or during deliberate glue sniffing or solvent abuse. Automobile exhaust can also put toluene into the air. People who work with gasoline, kerosene, heating oil, paints, and lacquers are at the greatest risk of exposure. Printers are also exposed to toluene in the workplace. Because toluene is a common solvent and is found in many consumer products, you can be exposed to toluene at home and outdoors while using gasoline, nail polish, cosmetics, rubber cement, paints, paintbrush cleaners, stain removers

DR, watched the Youtube video and found it neither helpful or funny; just a waste of bandwidth. I also checked out the Dimock website and while it did provide some insight, it doesn't really apply to Cecil and surrounding communities. Cabot sounds like a company that might be more cooperative and responsible than RR.

I'm sorry, but proud American's comments on benzene and toluene are just pure absurdity. Printer toner cartridges? Are you for real? Please show me ONE instance of someone whose blood was poisoned from toluene from printer cartridges. Again, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO GET CANCER BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR EYES TO WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND HERE???

What I was trying to show was these chemicals are all around us but the only thing you want to blame is fracking and drilling. How do you know where someone cancer comes from if these chemicals are all around us in our everyday life.

Really? Drilling and fracking starts in a community, people living near drilling sites start getting toxic levels of benzene and toluene in their blood, but it can't possibly be because of the drilling because there are tiny amounts of toluene in toner cartridges? Do you realize how insane that sounds when repeated out loud?

I have tried to show you their are a number of ways we are exposed to these chemicals you only choose to use toner cartridges and go back to blaming drilling and fracking. show us the proof it is only caused by drilling.

Toluene and Benzene are also common chemicals found to be a pollutant at old JUNKYARDS that have been around before the EPA started regulating them. How you may ask ?? Because of the gasoline that leaks from the cars while they sit and rust.

I worked as a mechanic a good part of my life and have been exposed to high dosages of these chemicals on a daily basis. I'm still alive and so far cancer free.

We are exposed in so many ways but the trouble with people who want to believe the drilling is the cause of all the worlds problems will continue no matter what evidence they are given.

If we start using Natural Gas to power our vehicles it will actually bring the levels of these chemicals down in our environment because of it's use now as an additive to gasoline.

No matter what eidence we have produced the only answer we get is it bad its gas drillings fault.

Here's something else that I just read about that can contain Benzene. Tattoo ink including the temporary ones that people let their children put on themselves !!!!!!!!!

now that is something to be scared about

Guess what else. A lot of these wacky anti's have them judging by what I see of them on from my research.

As a matter of fact I have one too !!!! And I'm still not scared.

I don't have any my daughter does, my husband has one and if you look at my son-in-law he should have been dead long ago.

Jesse White helps the people is a big joke Did he help the people in Cool Valley who were going to loose their homes to eminent domain? NOOOOO he did not. What has he done for the people in Hill Station that need sewage. He has done nothing about the sewage ..I'm tired of the people saying your doing a good job.You have done nothing.

Another thing that I don't think some of the people are aware of is that the EPA has been studying our area since September of last year. I watched them fly over my farm and I can see the cracker plant in Chartiers Twp. from my vantage point and they flew over it for several days with a probe on the front of their airplane taking air quality samples. They are also taking lots of other scientific samples for their study.

They did the same thing in Dimock, Pa. and came to the conclusion that the industry was doing it safely and that's why their story is important to us.

They also flew over parts of Cecil Township, at least around the Route 980 area.

Rep White won't believe any of those report according to all his postings they lie ,won't give info etc.

Well I'll I can say is he is one of the ones who called for them to do it so he better believe what they have to say or he can pay for someone else to do a study himself.

Some people really don't want the truth it takes away their cause or crusade.

I know. And this conversation wouldn't be fun without SOME OF THESE PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!! You know what I mean Proud American and you're pretty good at it yourself.

Mr. White I saw what you posted on Facebook last night about that email you received and the wording of it sounds like one of these Shale Shock people. I may have upset them here with my pro gas environmental stuff because you are one of their heros.

Donald I have never played Euchre but I'm glad I was a good partner. Those enviromental sites are the reason I think causes the fear in a lot of people because they don't research what they read they just take it at face value.Just because these sites claim to want to protect the world doesn't mean they haven't gone off the deep end. Mr. White claims he isn't against drilling but all his articles are negative. Like someone else posted what has he done for his area the only time you see him at a meeting is because it is to find fault with Range. If he would come more often he would see the people in Hills and Hendersonville has raw sewage running along the road side. People in Southview have a flooding problem why not use some of his influence to look for grants to help these people. They had an energy symposium at south Point this summer about what gas drilling was doing for the area ask why he didn't attend said he wasn't invited it was open to the public didn't need an invitation. Maybe he just didn't want to hear the good side of drilling.

This goes right back to the point of the article that started this conversation. The gas industry paid $30,000 to blast the movie The Promised Land before it came out because people like Shale Shock Media were telling people, and they still are, that it is a true "documentary". Now the anti's are blasting the true documentary, with real people not actors, called Frack Nation that was done but hasn't come out yet. Why because some of the people in it are their own real people. Maybe they don't want us to see how goofy these people really are.

Are you two for real? Mr. Roessler, I don't know how to break it to you, but for as much as you claim to know about this stuff, the plant in Chartiers Township is a massive compressor station, not a 'cracker', as you described it. They aren't even close to being the same thing. So now please change the subject and blame someone else for your staggering ignorance on a topic you claim to be an expert on.

You don't know what you are talking about. Plain and simple !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They seperate the gases there before they send it market. A compressor station moves the gas from the well sites to that plant. I'm referring to the plant on Route 519 just south of Westland near the Paxton Farm.

Donald when they can't produce facts to back their side they pick on miss use of words, they call people names,etc. We have none nothing but produce facts and we haven't called anyone a name or insult their intelligence facts just plain facts.

Prouder American you where asked to prove those two chemicals that can cause cancer only come from fracking, no answer. When you were given proof about the chemical you changed the subject. Just like Re. White when he stated he is not against drilling asked to list the good things about drilling , no answer.

what is the old saying if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen

Donald if this debate was given points for facts the Pro Gas Enviromentalist won hands down

I think Prouder American may have eaten too much frack fluid contaminated meat from the grocery store. Sometimes they do more harm for their cause the more they talk.

Proud American did you ever here me claim to be an expert ? I just give my opinion after I read the facts.

You two are unreal. You mischaracterize the facts, made wild assumptions with no proof whatsoever, twist the truth to fit your warped reality and refuse to acknowledge any possibility that you might be wrong. You know what? Do us all a favor and just drink a bunch of water from one of those impoundments you think are so clean and safe. Please, I beg of you, just drink until you can't drink anymore.

Ah, the name calling begins. I'll pass. Here's my point; you two have spent all this time and energy berating Rep. White's position, which seems to be EXACTLY the same position as you claim to have, which is to drill but to do it responsibly. If the guy is trying to point out how that can be done better, which he just might know about in his position as a public official who deals with this every day, why berate him? It makes no sense whatsoever.

By the way, I met with members of the Cecil Township Municipal Authority this week to discuss how we can help get funding for the sewage project in Lawrence, both for the Authority itself and for the people who will ultimately be the customers, which is in addition to the approximately $6,000,000 in grants I've helped bring in for Cecil sewage projects in the past six years. I'll be in Harrisburg for session on Tuesday, but I'm sending someone from my office to the public meeting to discuss how we will all be working together to try and make this project work in a way that will keep the costs as low as possible for the people.

But instead of asking me whether I'm doing anything on this project, some of the more, shall we say negative-minded commentators on this thread just attacked my job performance based upon a totally inaccurate assumption.

Again, I will discuss natural gas drilling issues with anyone who asks; just call my my office at 724-746-3677 to set up an appointment. I'm still waiting for the first call from one of my critics on this site...

First of all Rep. White represents all the people and he is another one who talks but doesn't answer. He says he is for gas drilling but he never shows that side of his argument and I'm not saying he shouldn't look at the other side of the story their are two sides. As an elected offical he should also be showing the good side of drilling. He is one of the people in the local communities that say I'm for drilling and then does nothing but bad mouth them. Maybe it is just Range because we don't hear him talk about any other drilling company. First he claims they are not hiring anyone local and that is not true even the Patch had an ad about the five places hiring and one of them had to do with drilling and Donald showed the magazine from South Point and look how many new companies that are connected with drilling I don't thing they are just empty buildings. He says they need better dialogue with the community and all he did was bash the meeting (they are not going to let you ask questions) and when they did their was no response not even this is a start. His questions where asked indirectly because the audience saw him walk out in the hall with one of Cecil's supervisors right before the meeting and it just so happens he was the one with the most questions and they where on the negative side just like Rep. White's talking points in his many negative articles about Range. Maybe it would help his case if he actually showed facts and not his beliefs or it could happen atitude.

Just want to say we are not bashing Rep. White personally it is the way he is handling the divided community that he states so often. We had a citizens state at one of the township meetings about arguments and she said you can either throw a can of water on the fire or a can of gasoline. and all of the negativity from his articles is gasoline.

Donald and I have never claimed to be experts but we are trying to educate ourselves. We look at arguments and FACTS on both side and are able to think for ourselves and make an educated opinion.

Are you really implying the problem is that because Jesse White isn't doing enough cheerleading for Range Resources, people aren't getting all the info they need? Doesn't Tim Solobay do enough cheerleading for everyone? Jesse is standing up for your town and you've got your heads too far in the clouds to realize it.

Here we go attack Tim Solobay again. Prouder American you do more attacking and show more disrespect to all of us on here than anyone does. And you've had more of your comments removed for that reason than any of us.

Mr. White I didn't mean my comment about the email you recieved to be construed as an attack. I was trying to inform you of who I thought was behind it and why they would do it.

And Mr. White I personally would consider that email to have been a threat.

Mr. Roessler - thank you for commenting, but please no personal attacks. I deleted two comments for that reason. All I ask is that everyone try to be civil please. Thank you guys (and gals!).

That's fine with me Amanda. I'll be the first to admit that what I said was wrong. It's sometimes hard to control yourself when you're shown so much disrespect.

I understand - it is a polarizing issue. Thanks for your response. I hope you have a great Saturday!

Hang on a second. I said Tim Solobay was a cheerleader for Range, which you characterized as an 'attack', yet you say Jesse White needs to be more of a cheerleader for Range. Your contradictions are unreal.

I never once said anything of that sort. Jesse White can have his own opinion about Range Resources as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that I said here about Range is that I believe they are doing a good job.

And yes I see your comments as attacks.

Again: Civility please! Or I will have to close down comments. Not threatening. Just trying to keep this a productive conversation, my friends.

I'm not name-calling. I just want some clarification as to the double standard with White and Solobay.

Prouder - the comments I deleted were personal attacks. I have deleted them (obviously) but I believe the term "idiot" was used. No name calling, please. If you'd like to rephrase and resubmit, fee free to do so. Again, my email is amanda.gillooly@patch.com and my cell is 724-510-5659. Please feel free to call anytime with questions!

I'm not asking Rep. White to be a cheerleader he says he's for drilling but we neve see anything that would show that side. A politicians will always get critized from the people that is part of the game when you run for office you have to realize that it isn't always going to be nice and all the people are not going to just believe everything you say just because you are an elected offical.

Rep. White have you ever thought about holding a town hall meeting and invite people from both sides of the issue and maybe we could all mend a few fences.

I think one thing we all need to agree on is that the gas industry is here to stay whether we like it or not. They aren't going to undrill any of the wells they already have. And the industry has come a long way in becoming safer over the past few years. And they are still researching and implementing new ways to do it safely. A lot of people just don't understand the process and when you say words like chemicals when you talk about it causes a lot of fear. But at the same time I can understand people's concerns about that. But when they act radical and don't even try to hear what you tell them to try to dispell some of those fears it then becomes ridiculous.

You are 100% right Donald fracking is not only here it is all over the world in every continent. Fracking started in 1947 and the type we are seeing today started in Texas in 1998.

Here's a website of one company right in our own backyard in Canonsburg that is doing something about the frack water.

http://www.aquatech.com/

They have developed a treatment system for at the well site treatment of frack water.
I don't know how many times I've heard people say that they don't believe that it can or is being done.

That was very interesting that is what people are missing when they close their minds and focus on one sided sites that doesn't show that they are looking for new ways to protect the enviroment. The industry is always looking for new ways to improve their process and and bring down the cost .

First, the fracking done in 1947 is NOTHING like the fracking done for deep formations like Marcellus Shale; it's like saying a Model T Ford and a Ferrari are the same because they're both automobiles. That's a common industry talking point that is a straight up lie.

Second, interesting you mentioned AquaTech. Is Range using their MOVAP technology? NO THEY ARE NOT. Why? Because they don't want to pay the money to do things the right way when they can just dump water into those toxic waste dumps they call impoundments. Thanks for proving my point for me.

Prouder Amrican you are right you used the Model T Ford to represent fracking 1947 and the Ferrari to represent the present day. Now we all know how many safety devices our present day cars have on them and the same why with drilling. Drilling has to deal safety wise with state and federal departments and regulations as well as safety regulations from OSHA etc. Places like AquaTech is the future and if you watched the video they are working with drilling companies to make it practical to use and do you really think they would put this plant in Canonsburg if their wasn't a need for it if not today but in the near future. If we where a nation that used fear to stop advancement we would never had gotten to the Model T Ford stage we would still be horse and buggy stage and the horses harness would have blinders on to keep them from being frighten.
Donald this site is for you because you are interested in seening how thing work click launch and then each dot after that to see step by step how fracking is done.
http://www.halliburton.com/public/projects/pubsdata/hydraulic_fracturing/fracturing_101.html.

I was told recently that I just don't like Rep. White and that is totally untrue. I disagree with his constant negative attitude against drilling and Range. He states he is for drilling so there has to be good connected with drilling but we never see that side of his agrument. Nothing is ever perfect in this world including the commentors on Patch and politicians . I also know that my side of this issues is drilling and I am also calling for responsibile drilling , accidents do happen with all industries even with all the safety features in place and the company need to be held responsible. I also feel the Rep. White could help a lot of people with their fears about the industry by showing both sides. Rep. White if my comments make you feel like I dislike you as a person just want to set the record straight and it is the issues not you personally

I never met him personally. I can like him on for his stance one issue like the Southern Beltway and dislike him on his stance on others like the gas. If he is really pro gas then I'll start to like him more on this issue no matter what his opinion of Range Resources is. But he has to stop using anti tactics for that to happen. Instead of saying things like cover up when it comes to the DEP over what information they release say something like I have concerns over why they didn't release it. And if it turns out to be a cover up then he can say it all he wants and I wouldn't argue about it.

If I just flat out didn't like him I would be on here attacking him on everything that he posts. And after dealing with some of these people on here I'm starting to understand why he does attack people like he does. I know one thing he shows more respect to those of us who use their real names or the ones who he knows who they are behind their screen name. The biggest reason he gets a bad rap from Energy In Depth is because the anti's are using him as a pawn in their game.

That was very well stated Donald I disagree with my spouse all the time and I love him lol. So many politicians take criticisms of an issue as you don't like me or my party etc. and that is not the case with me.

And now that he is trying to distant himself from the anti's they are sending him threats via email. Some of these people are considered by many to be so far gone that they are dangerous !!!!!!

And they are the ones we need to be focused on right now and they need to be run out of town !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I thank Tom Shepstone, the editor of EID, for openening my eyes as to who is really behind a lot of this.

And that's why everyone needs to research who the Shale Shock Media people are and you'll all understand who they are and what they're about. And you can learn to pick them out in a conversation on here and deal with them.

Jesse White needs all the help we can give him on that issue whether we like him or not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Energy In Depth is a very good site it separates a lot of the truth from the fiction. Shale Shock Media type people are easy to pick out drilling is bad and the people who defend it are liars and haters.

And Proud American I thank you again for being a good Euchre partner and helping me try to get this message out.

Proud American I researched you too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JG ?? I didn't find anything that I consider to be bad.

Same to you Donald but I really am a proud American and I love my country and enviroment a day spent in the outdoors is never wasted.

Donald that new documentary Fracknation open here is a report
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=65361a4a899c736f66ed8fb13&id=4d650a320a&e=9245153b1c

ENERGY IN DEPTH IS AN INDUSTRY PROPAGANDA SITE. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT AS ANYTHING ELSE.

Prouder American try looking at an unbias documentary FRACKNATION it is a documentary produced by investigation reporters just released in New York and Los Angeles, they are not from America they are from Ireland and Poland. I knew Donald would be interested in how well it is doing because Donald and I share the same thoughts and Ideas, but maybe it could help with some of your fears of fracking. Not every site that is for fracking a propaganda site. If you are able to see this documentary keep an open mind and look at it .

Proud American the website you listed above about Frack Nation isn't from EID and they didn't pay to produce the movie as far as I know.

I don't get concerned over who pays for what website. It's what they say that is important to me. And I don't use EID as I my only source of information when I do my research.

Donald you are right it is not EID it is an independent documentary and I am like you I search many sites for and against to make my choice.

Proud American Here's the latest fact based news from Energy In Depth.

http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/natura-gas-development-gives-aquatech-a-helping-hand/17154/#more-17154

Thank Donald I have signed up for updates the next time we play Euchre we will be well informed.

http://www.energyindepth.org/epa-regional-admin-crucify-operators-to-make-examples/

AGAIN, ENERGY IN DEPTH IS AN INDUSTRY-FUNDED PROPAGANDA SITE. LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM AT: http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/12/11921/%E2%80%9Cenergy-depth%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-reporters%E2%80%99-guide-its-founding-funding-and-flacks

Donald and Cecil Resident do you feel that Prouder American doesn't like our site?

Minding your own business makes a good neighbor. I hope all my neighbor' sign a lease with Range. Tell that gas company to Drill Baby Drill !!!!!!

One view from a distance,

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000141463

Sounds like Prouder American is running out of amunition.

thank roger good video

more local jobs......
http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/natura-gas-development-gives-aquatech-a-helping-hand/17154/

Cecil Resident this is what we have been talking about for a long time this job market spreads outward thru the community and because they see some out of state plates everyone just assumes that no one in this area is being hired. What the issue is that people in this area are not familar with a lot of the qualifications needed for some aspects of drilling of this type so they will bring their experts, but it doesn't stop the people from getting ground level jobs and working their way up.the problem is if they admit that jobs are being created then they will look weak among the anti gas people who feed their ego

Here is the jobs page from Energy In Depth. If you need a job and want to work for the gas industry I suggest that you read it because it tells you what you need to do to get one.

http://eidmarcellus.org/job-resource-page/

One of the things they mention in that article is Pa Career Link. Even if you don't want to work for the gas industry they are a good place to look for a job. I went through them to get my last job several years ago and while I was working one job I got through them another company looked at my resume through them and called me and hired me for a better job.

People like you donald have drive that is something we are losing in this country. Everyone wants to start at the top with top pay sometimes things go a little slower but if you have drive and are a hard worker you will always fine a better job.

ONCE AGAIN, ENERGY IN DEPTH IS AN INDUSTRY-FUNDED PROPAGANDA SITE. LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM AT: http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/12/11921/%E2%80%9Cenergy-depth%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-reporters%E2%80%99-guide-its-founding-funding-and-flacks

All I can say is that the gas industry is going to fund websites like EID. They aren't going to fund an anti gas website and anti gas people aren't going to fund pro gas sites. It works both ways Prouder American and your arguement over it is getting old.

EID isn't the only one reporting it.

http://triblive.com/business/headlines/2661636-74/industry-energy-jobs-development-engineers-positions-chemical-fill-report-employees#axzz2IA5HuouA

That's a good article Cecil Resident. It just goes to show that EID isn't the only website that reports the facts.

Good article Cecil Resident the Trib has always printed both side of issues

Has anyone been able to find any figures on how many jobs were created with the South Pointe development and how many of them are gas related ?? I looked a little bit but couldn't find anything.

Not specific to South Pointe, but still interesting (and not from EID):

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/news/pa-ranks-just-after-texas-in-shale-jobs-667121/

I just came up with 6,000 jobs total from page 10 of the South Pointe Magazine website below and 300 of them are Range Resources employees on page 18. It doesn't list how many of them are working for the other companies such as Consol and Chesepeake and so on. It also states that Range has created almost 5,000 jobs in the area.

Sorry I was interupted when I sent that. Here is the South Pointe website.

http://issuu.com/southpointemagazine/docs/southpointe_magazine_summer_final_edition

These may not even cover the jobs that indirectly are hiring such as hotels, restaurants, clotheing store etc.

Rep. White posted a story from the Huffington Post Green (The Huffington Post was launched on May 9, 2005 as a liberal/left commentary outlet ) a confidential report obtained by the AP http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/epa-water-contamination-investigation-fracking_n_2484568.htmlUPDATE (1/16/2013, 3:39pm ET): The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has posted a version of the AP’s story, but with some additional details that the official Associated Press version neglected to include:

How did the AP characterize that portion of the story? By merely stating: “state regulators declared in March 2011 that Range Resources was not responsible” for the presence of methane in the Lipsky’s well. No discussion of the fingerprinting analysis – a process that was given attention with respect to Thyne’s paper, though, as if it were some new and never-before-used technique in this case – and certainly no mention of the hearing where experts presented scientific evidence disproving the link between Range’s operations and methane found in the water

Also of note: Range Resources is not part of the EPA’s hydraulic fracturing study. That begs a pretty important question: How could Range “pressure” the EPA to drop its endangerment order in exchange for participating in the study if Range is not, in fact, participating in the study
now people can read both sides and form their own opinion.

Texas Railroad Commission in 2011. At that hearing, which the EPA did not participate in, the agency's examiners found that the gas in Lipsky's well and other water wells in the area was "most likely" from a much shallower formation called the Strawn.
Examiner Gene Montes said geochemical fingerprinting analysis of the gas in the contaminated wells indicated that it likely came from the Strawn, and didn't match Barnett Shale gas. The three-member Railroad Commission in March 2011 ruled Range was not at fault.

methane gas is present all over the country but it is easier to blame Range and a DEP coverup to support a cause then it is to give both sides and let people read and research and make their own decision. Some I guess will find that the Texas Railroad Commission is now part of the cover up

Here's a good article that gives an explanation of why these methane problems can occur from drilling. It is saying it can be caused from old abandoned wells from as far back as the late 1800's that are affected by new well drilling, when they cross paths, that is causing the old unplugged wells to release the methane into the ground water or even into homes. It also states that these old wells don't have to be disturbed to cause them to release methane. This happened about 15 to 20 years ago in 84, Pa. when a water well exploded and they found it to be from methane. They vented all the wells to the affected homes and I don't think anyone has had a problem since.

http://m.npr.org/news/Science/164139865

I'm starting to think you two have some sort of sick fetish over Rep. White. For someone you don't care for, you're totally obsessed with him. It's weird.

Both Donald and I have stated we do not have anything personally against Rep. White period. On my side it is the way he is handling the Range & DEP issue says he's pro drilling but doesn't state anything good about it or maybe it is because it is Range. He says he hates the way the community is divided and he just adds fuel to the fire with one negative posting after another.

I agree with you Proud American. And that's all Prouder American does is post one negative thing after another and try to insult people instead of adding anything of any value to the debate. Sounds like they're the one with a fetish.

I posted this EID article before and I post it again because it is very relevant to this conversation. Everyone read it !!!!

http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/natural-gas-conversation/16074/

Please stop posting links from the industry-paid propaganda site Energy In Depth. It's getting out of hand. But more importantly, you continually criticize Rep. White, but what has he said that's not true? Sometimes the truth hurts.

Good article Donald That conversation I think shows what happens when someone who is not sure how you feel about drilling get turned off by meetings that were all one sided. And for me this is what is happening with Rep. White every postings is negative and when you do a little research like what I posted and I didn't stop at Rep. Whites Huffington Post articles or EID their was also the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Then I made a decision that the Article posted by Re. White was incomplete at best and border line lie at worse. If everyday people like Donald and myself can educate themselves and really looks for the truth good or bad anyone can that really wants the truth.

Donald you will get a good laugh out of this

Rachael Colley, EID Marcellus Field Director
Curt Coccodrilli, Landowner, NWPOA Member and Printer

Well, our opponents are at it again! They are using petroleum based and natural gas cured products to protest – you guessed it – natural gas. Our friends on the other side are selling T-shirts intended to send a message of opposition to hydraulic fracturing. There’s just one little problem. Natural gas from hydraulic fracturing is required to deliver it.

We are noticing something very interesting about our natural gas protestor friends; they don’t seem to know what they’re protesting. We have noted, several times on this blog, the hypocrisy of people such as Sean Lennon and his mom, Yoko Ono, who live in the comfort of homes heated with natural gas produced from hydraulic fracturing, while making sure to place themselves in front of cameras as they protest the source of that comfort.

What caught our attention this morning, however, was a new solicitation by the folks over at Deep Green Resistance. They are, between calls for destruction and mayhem, selling T-shirts with not so clever messages opposing what they, themselves, are using to deliver those messages.

Screen printed T-shirts are made using natural gas, you see, and the inks used make hydraulic fracturing fluid look like lemonade by comparison.

Proud American I saw that and it did make me laugh. And the way Prouder American acts on here with the twisting of our words and the insults to those of us
who question what Mr. White says just shows who's afraid of the truth and it's not us.
The truth for me is that I live next to a Range well site and there haven't been any problems from it. The anti's don't want anyone to be believe that it can and is being done safely. They believe that because of one case that is in court and hasn't been settled yet that the whole industry is bad. A case in my opinion that doesn't carry much weight because of the other factors of it such as those involved all live on or near an old junkyard. Another thing is that I know someone who lives near that well site and they agree that it is all a bunch of BS and their water never become polluted from it. I can't name them to protect their own privacy.
And here's the EID article you mentioned.

http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/gas-protest-messag-tee-shirts-for-sale-made-with-natural-gas/17178/

And why hasn't Prouder American come to Mr. White's defense on any of the other issues on here where he's been bashed ?? They must have some interest in this lawsuit that could benefit them too.

I am thinking like you do Donald one thing that bothers me about this situation in Texas is if I was so fearful for my families health why is the Lipsky family still their this has been going on since 2010. If I thought their was something going on where I live and it was affecting my families health I would have left even if I had to live in my car . Do they value a piece of property over the families health?

One thing that was mentioned is that the water in that area has had methane in it for years before they started drilling. One water well went up in flames there years before they started drilling. Just like what happened in 84, Pa. years ago. They also had the methane problem in Dimock, Pa. for years before they started drilling. And all that needs to be done to correct it is to install a vent on the water well. I would recommend myself that everyone who has a water well no matter where you live install a vent on it now. Don't wait for it to blow up then fix it.

Here's another good EID article that is relevant to the conversation. I like the part where he talks about people coming to his farm and asking where all the destruction is and he tells them that they are looking right at it. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count on how many times this has happened to me. I had people ask me where the well site was when the drill rig was here because they were not educated about it. When I told them that they are looking at it they got a confused look on their face.
http://eidmarcellus.org/blog/dimock-landowners-share-their-perspective-on-natural-gas-development/14343/

Out did yourself again Donald

http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/pennsylvania-commonwealth-foundation-takes-a-look-at-promised-land/17218/?utm_source=EID+Marcellus+Supporters&utm_campaign=d469d5bc26-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

some truths about the movie

http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/bradford-county-residents-promised-land-cringe-worthy/17110/

worth reading

Here's the latest news in the Observer Reporter. IGS energy is going to start building CNG fueling stations along Interstate 79 in West Virginia. They are also looking at a similar network in Ohio and Pennsylvania. If we get the infrstucture in place it won't be long before we can use it to power our automobiles.

http://www.observer-reporter.com/article/20130117/NEWS04/130119306/-1/NEWS

more jobs created

And the Gold goes to DR with 63 (+ or -)comments on an article from Jan 9th. Proud get the Silver with 62 (+ or -) comments. Prouder came in a very modest third with only 18 (+ or -) comments. So DR posted 39.3% of the 160 comments while Proud posted 38.7% Prouder only accounted for a mear 11%.

I will display my Gold Medal proudly.

You beat me Donald will take the silver gladly Donald is a better researcher then me.

Tony since you seem to have been following us would you like to join the pro gas enviromentalist group we are a very educated group and always looking for more member

I know one thing. I learned a lot more than what I knew in the begining of all this. I'm still all for it. Yoko Ono is making the news now with her anti tactics. See the article below. Here is an "expert" on gas that almost changed my mind !! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

http://www.observer-reporter.com/article/20130117/NEWS04/130119294/0/SEARCH

I see what you mean Donald really had me thinking for a second or two maybe since Tony didn't respond to our group he might want to join theirs Artists Against Fracking.

Guess who else went on the tour ?? Energy In Depth !!!!!!!! See their article and videos of the tour below. You can form your own opinion from it. I already have mine and you know what it is. Does Shale Shock ring a bell ??

http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/loco-ono-son-descend-on-dimock-to-fight-natural-gas-heating-their-home/17231/#more-17231

Why are the anti's so rude they came to that community and didn't even care how they interrupted the locals lives. Sean Lennon sure didn't help their cause.

This is getting obnoxious. You two (proud and Donald) think you know so much, maybe you should learn how to send private emails to one another.

Are we upsetting you Prouder American ?? Well I'm not sorry for it.

1. Let's be civil, please. 2. Let's keep it on topic please (please, please). 3. If you'd like to write a letter to the editor, or blog, please email me at amanda.gillooly@patch.com. I'll get you set up and that will be another forum for your thoughts, opinions, links and conversation! Thanks, guys.

Amanda it seems to stay civil until Prouder American starts with the insults. You can go ahead and shut down the comments on this if you want and it won't bother me.

I didn't insult them. I just said if these two want to swap gas industry propaganda from garbage sites like Energy In Depth and then needlessly compliment one another, perhaps they should just email one another instead of blowing up this site. But I do find it interesting that these two have no problem tossing around insults and hate, but get hypersensitive any time they think they are being criticized in any way. Typical gas industry self-victimization.

This is all I'm saying: We are getting close to name calling and awfully off subject. BUT - if Mr. Roessler, Proud or Prouder (or anyone) would like to write a blog or guest column, that might be a more appropriate forum for some of the items are off topic. Just let me know. I will set you up. Thanks guys!

Mr. Roessler, not to bemoan the idea, but you seem very opinionated on this issue. Please just let me know if you'd be interested in voicing you opinion on a blog on this site. It might be a forum for you to share your views and alternate links (even though you are more than welcome to post background info as a service to our friends on the site). Just sayin.' :)

Yeah, like I can write a blog about how the sky is blue, and Donald and proud american can post nearly 200 comments telling me how wrong I am and use links from gas industry propaganda sites like Energy in Depth as 'proof'.

Prouder, if you'd like to write a letter to the editor instead, please feel free to do so. My email is amanda.glllooly@patch.com. If you'd prefer to speak to me about the issue, please feel free to call me anytime. My cell phone number is 724-510-5659. Thanks, as always, for your opinions.

Fracknation, a rebuttal to The Promised Land, will be aired tomorrow at 9PM on ASXTV. For those of you who do not have that channel visit their website below and you can order the DVD.

http://fracknation.com/

Thanks Donald

Wow !!!!!!!!! Check this out Amanda. I just found this on another Facebook page called Truthland.
http://www.facebook.com/TruthlandMovie?fref=ts#!/photo.php?fbid=228881580575359&set=a.141249202671931.29193.104142989715886&type=1&theater

If you're not registered on Facebook you have to scroll down to see what I want to show you. It's a Canon McMillan Patch piece featuring Tim Solobay. If you're registered it should come up when you click on it above.

I missed that part Roger. At least WE know where he is from. I haven't checked out the whole sight yet. This sight is about an independant woman who went out on her own and filmed a documentary about fracking. I think her film is posted on the web. I'm going to watch it when I got time if I find it. Right now I'm jumping between 4 websites reading and commenting. I'll see if I can post a comment below the article correcting them on it. Thanks for pointing that out.

Mr. White, I wish you good luck with HB 268 as I said before. I will be the first to admit that I don't have a problem with it.

Rep White or Donald can you print what is in HB268 having trouble finding it.

Got the info in the OR this morning, I don't see a problem with all chemicals found in a well being listed. The report ahould also state a list of the chemicals that the drilling companies is using in the area of these wells. Range Resources volunteered a list of the chemicals http://www.rangeresources.com/getdoc/50e3bc03-3bf6-4517-a29b-e2b8ef0afe4f/Well-Completion-Reports.aspx. This would stop many law suites because a lot of people when a chemical show up in their well will automatically assume it has to come from drilling and lawyers are none to happy to take their case. Personally I would have my own test done along with the DEP test better to be educated then to follow what someone wants you to believe.