If I didn't trust Range or the DEP I wouldn't wait around or sue I would personally get my own water tested. Then sort the findings out and find out where it is really coming from then take action. Writing letters and demands aren't helping the people who have issues.

he didn't get enough attention last week when he posted the letter that he sent to the DEP? there's nothing in that article, or this one, that needs to be repeated....

here's an analogy for you.....
when you sit down in a restaurant, does the waitress bring you everything on the menu? or does she take your order and bring you what you are hungry for?.... same situation.... just because they have it in the kitchen does not mean they will be making every entree for every customer that walks in the door. The customer (DEP) places an order, based on the investigative necessity... and the cook (lab technician) fills the order (or suite code in this case)... Glad the waitress won't be bringing me that bill....lab analysis isn't cheap..... and we are talking about tax dollars here.....

Krancer has explained this many times, but White just keeps pushing with the same lack of knowledge. Kinda like a 2 year old in the toy store that just can't get his own way.......

I am the editor, and didn't remove any comments or blog posts.

No problem! I just wanted to clarify on my end! Thanks for the kind words - I will continue to do the best I possibly can!!

Proud American, you're a real piece of work. You blast the representative for asking questions instead of making accusations, but if he had made accusations you would have blasted him for not asking questions first. If Jesse White said bananas were yellow, you'd be the first one to say otherwise. Your contrary nature is getting old.

Sorry prouder American it is just common sense we all know that rep White has had issues with the DEP and Range so If you don't trust them and you truly want to help the people you represent get a list of companies he feels he can trust and encourage them to get answers from someone other then the people they don't trust. Actions speak louder then words and as of this time it has all been words.

Just before things get unhinged, I will issue my, "Please be civil, folks" comment. Thank you all for reading and commenting!!

Even Range at the workshop with Cecil Township reccommended a third party to check their wells and Rep. White was in attendence. I personally would have a third party check my wells if their was an issue . Not sure why Sen Solobay name was brought up but for the pass few weeks here are just a few things he posted on the Patch Storm Sandy and free flu shots, 14 new vans for the vets (used to get them to doctors), turkey for the needy, natural gas vechicle grant program and the list goes on. Can't comment on items that are a benefit for the citizen.

Proud American, you JUST DON'T GET IT. Range and the DEP are conspiring to hide information from people about how their air and water are being poisoned. People like Solobay take their talking points directly from Range and turn a blind eye to the tragedy that's developing under their noses. If you get a third party water test, Range won't acknowledge anything negative.

Do you not get that Range is putting these toxic waste dumps known as frac ponds in neighborhoods because they're too cheap to do it the right way? How many of your fellow proud Americans will need to die from cancer before you OPEN YOUR EYES?

I honestly don't even know where to begin here. You say that people should get third party water testing to prove contamination, and then you say in the same thread that Range doesn't have to acknowledge it if they don't want to. Then you say the solution is to file a lawsuit, although you criticize the lawyers who have taken Range on and been successful.

As for Solobay, OPEN YOUR EYES. He voted against Act 13 and said it was "unfortunate" that he represents communities like Cecil who had the guts to challenge the Corbett administration's power play. He has IGNORED constituents who have come to him with contaminated water from Range, and turned their personal contact information over to Range's PR bullies without their permission, which is just disgusting.

Are you ok with all of that?

Prouder American so everyone for the oil and gas industry is bad. I have never said the oil and gas industry shouldn't be sued if they did something wrong you just feel because I think we should be using our own resources that they can do whatever they want and you are totally wrong. A survey was taken in Washington county by one of the universities and only 10% was against drilling does that make the rest of us wrong?. Once again you supply no proof first it was Range then the Dep then Sen. Solobay ,now Gov. Corbett Administration. And since you claimed that a frac pond was the cheap way to handle things what is the correct way to handle it ,show us your expertise in the field of fracking. You just keep making accusation against the industry and everyone who want the country to become energy independent .

Wow, that is NOT what I said. I said RANGE RESOURCES is bad in how they use cheap processes. Here are some of the alternatives to frac ponds: http://www.earthworksaction.org/issues/detail/alternatives_to_pits#.UMnW7rbk6Bg

FYI, I call total BS on your 10% claim. Prove it.

Finally, Range Resources is NOT the road to energy independence. They're the road to cancer clusters for Pennsylvania and profits for Texas. You're exactly the kind of rube they love.

Prouder American I read your article and it was very interesting but being an educated proud American I did a little research and this is what I found.

Once the frack was completed, the process of removing the frack fluid, or the "flowback," where the fluid was piped into large tanks at the far end of the field, began.
This is called a closed-loop system, where the fluid never touches the surface and fumes are contained in closed tanks.
The fluid then can be recycled for another frack job; left to evaporate in open pits often at other sites; or disposed of in underground waste-injection wells.
This system also uses an open pit

http://www.observer-reporter.com/article/20121209/NEWS080101/121209254/0/SEARCH
this is the article supporting my 10% claim that 10% is strongly against drilling

What is your solution to becoming energy independent ? Or should we just let foreign countries control our energy needs?

Read you Articles on Senator Solobay and it is being looked into didn't say they are guilty of some crime and if it is proven this practice is wrong it should be stopped and money repaid and he is not My boy solobay he is our elected State Senator the same way Rep. White is our elected Representative and the emails about his taking money from range should I jump up and call him a crook or let it play out in an investigation. I prefer to let both playout in an investigation.

Here's another excerpt from the Observer Reporter article.
Some opponents of the practice said it’s not the fact that legislators get reimbursed while owning property they have a problem with, but rather the secrecy of it.
I suggest when you call him a crook you get your facts straight.

Did anyone see the crap he recently posted on his non-public, hand selected, anti-drilling commentator only, Facebook page?? Wow, wow n wow.... But he's not anti-drilling... No......now thats "Representin'...

You guys know me. I have to say it, and I ask it with all sincerity: Please just watch your language and keep it civil. Thanks!

Prouder - I removed your comment because it contained a personal attack. Just wanted to let you know.

Amanda you do a good job contolling the situation thank you again for this service on the Patch I have learned a lot even from people even ones I don't see eye to eye with it makes you look at all side and do some research and look at things from a different angle.

Think about what it would be like around here if we didn't have the DEP. We would probably have to change the name of Chartiers Creek to Frackwater Creek.

Was talking to someone who knows the history of the first oil boom in the McDonald area they had so much oil and couldn't get pipe lines in fast enough so they used the smaill creek to run to oil to an area where it could be pick up. The DEP sounds pretty good

When you provide the proof of all your accusation then maybe people will start paying attention to what you say. Show me studies from unbias sources not fracking hating sites and I will be happy to read them I really don't mean to upset you

Proud American you were right when you said a two sided argument makes you do some research. This article is interesting. It says they are coming up with other ways of fracking that involve benign chemicals such as nitrogen and helium for fracking that are safer for the environment.

http://triblive.com/business/2752929-74/chemicals-gas-frack-fracking-drillers-benign-companies-nitrogen-percent-waterless#axzz2F5htXb2p

Donald Roessler when people resent something the only sites they believe are site that confirm their fears. We all know with any industry as large as the oil and gas industries that accidents will happen and they should be held accountable. but so many people are blaming the whole industry and the whole process. They gas and oil industries are always looking for new ways to do this process and things do get better and safer. I said once before if we stop doing things out of fear we would still be in the stone age. thanks for the article it was very informative

If it wasn't for people like Prouder American who raise, what I'll call legitimate concerns, they wouldn't be looking at other ways to do this. Also I think I read somewhere one time that the reason we have the DEP and the EPA is because of the concerns of the environmentalists. In other words if it wasn't because of them we wouldn't have these groups to watch over several industries not just the gas. And I agree that if something is caused by them that they be held accountable. I also agree with Jesse White that if there is a cover up by the DEP that someone be held accountable there too. But like you I'm going to wait and see if it is proven before I start pointing fingers at anyone.

Good points, but here's the problem. If companies like Range won't be honest about how they conduct their operations, and the DEP refuses to investigate or cite them, and people like proud American will call any study or news source that doesn't agree with their viewpoint biased (as aided by industry-funded groups like Energy in Depth and the Marcellus Shale Coalition), and journalists like Amanda are attacked for every little things she writes and representatives like Jesse White are villified for asking questions, HOW IN THE WORLD WILL ANYONE EVER BE ABLE TO PROVE ANYTHING THAT WILL SATISFY YOU?

Do you need to see a dead body, proud American? Is that really what it's going to take? Just tell me what you consider to be 'unbiased proof'. Was the recent New York Times article about DEP omitting test results of poisonous chemicals enough? Those are Range sites, and neither DEP or Range sued the New York Times for defamation, so can we agree that was true???

Did you know that Range was the first company to post what chemicals they use? If someone says that drilling has affected their wells they check for that chemical in their water that is what the case would be about . Any one who has well water knows their are all kind of things in your water and they can come from many sources and I would never trust anyone who I thought contaminated my water to do the test.That is why I said I personally would use a third party and Range even told people that at the workshop. I don't believe everything on the sites that are backed by the industries I do my own research and make my own decision. An articles in the OR on July 23, 2012 The Pittsburgh Water and Sewer authority who has no stake in the game did extensive test and said they didn't find any problems in the rivers.Also in Texas the opponents of fracking they said their was a hugh increase in the cancer rate in fracking areas The Susan G. Komen for the cure said their was no evidence of a spike these are the kind of things I find truthful because they don't have any benefit to lie, this is what I mean by unbiased proof. If a company sued over ever thing that was bias against them that is written in papers on the internet etc. there wouldn't be any room in the courts for other cases sometimes you have to pick your battles.

This is a very complicated case because the Attorney for Cecil Township,cases Robinson township, and Mt, Pleasant townships( who has ongoing cases for the named townships) firm is representing the Kiskadden family who states their illness has come from fracking where their well is in a junk yard that has possible oil and gas leaking in to the ground where the County Soil Survey has stated has a shallow seasonal high water table and is moderately permeable which means the fluids and other substances that drain from or come off junked vechicles are easily transmitted to groundwater and flooding doesn't help either. Since their are ongoing cases where decisions have not been made it wouldn't be fair to either side to form a rock solid opinion. Once again Rep. White wants us to believe what the New York time writes where he is mentioned but doesn't want us to believe what the Trib has written about him and his emails he state they are incomplete maybe this story is also incomplete

The state lab had been endorsed as “well-managed, efficient and highly functional” by the Association of Public Health Laboratories.
Public Health Laboratories operate as a first line of defense to protect the public against diseases and other health hazards. Working in collaboration with other arms of the nation’s public health system, public health laboratories provide clinical diagnostic testing, disease surveillance, environmental and radiological testing, emergency response support, applied research, laboratory training and other essential services to the communities they serve. Public health laboratory scientists are highly educated specialists with knowledge of one or more scientific disciplines, advanced skills in laboratory practice and the ability to apply this expertise to the solution of complex problems affecting human health

http://pubs.cas.psu.edu/freepubs/pdfs/uh183.pdf is a site for a little more education on what can pollute our ground water page 8 covers this situation very well

http://www.energyindepth.org/tag/jesse-white/

After doing some research on the environmental issues that junkyards cause I decided that I would rather live next to a gas well, which by the way I atready do, than a junkyard.

I also believe that Jessie White should be held accountable for his actions when his accusations are proven to be false because it has caused a lot of mistrust of the DEP before anything had been proven in a court of law.

It's going to be hard to have anything proven false when the DEP refuses to answer me, isn't it?

Maybe you need to introduce some legislation to change the way the DEP releases information on these issues. It does raise a lot of concern amongst those of us who are for the gas as well as those opposed when they don't. I see the Supreme Court has ruled that the Hallowich case be unsealed. I'm interested in what happened there with the DEP too because it's our tax dollars that are at stake in these cases and I want to make sure evrything is square when we have to pay out these settlements. That's my biggest concern with everything here.

If it turns out that they are doing something criminal that could cause health problems for people you bring the tar and I'll bring the feathers. My own experiences with the drilling has been good as they have a well right across the road from my property. They drilled nine holes on that pad.

Donald, look for DEP-specific legislation I'll be introducing when the Legislature comes back into session next month.

Thank you Mr. White. I'm a person who doesn't follow politics much but I will keep an eye out for it and if it's good I wish you the best of luck in getting it passed. And like I said on your previous post have a Merry Christmas.

Mr White, I now you're critical about what EID says on their website and I can understand why but here's something that everyone needs to read. And you won't be upset after you read it. This blew my socks off I have to go to the other side of the room and retrieve them.

Sorry here it is I forgot to post it. Hold on a minute I'll get it. I lost it for some reason.

http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/natural-gas-conversation/16074/
Here it is sorry.

Mr. White after reading the above article and talking to you personally I have since went back and removed some of my posts from an earlier article on this subject that were uncalled for on my part and I apologize for my actions.